North Carolina Association of Private Investigators
Cornelius, North Carolina Holiday Inn- Lake Norman
June 16, 2001 Meeting Minutes
Board Members Present:
Monty Clark Hayden Church Ruth Reynolds Allen Innis Steve Mitchell Jennifer McKenzie Kimberly Balson Assistant Secretary) Board Members not present:
Bill Fletcher Lenora Topp
I. Meeting Called to Order:
The meeting was called to order at 9:11 a.m. President Clark welcomed the attendees.
Minutes from the meeting held on April 21st, 2001 in Southern Pines, NC were read by the Assistant Secretary, Kimberly Balson. A motion was made for acceptance by Jennifer McKenzie, the motion was 2nd by Allen Innis and was approved.
III. Treasurer’s Report:
Treasurer Reynolds’ gave a report stating the checking balance was $85.35. She reported two deposits had been made. The balance was reduced because of bills to New South Printing. New South Printing charged $248.04 for just printing the membership certificates alone. The possibility of NCAPI printing these certificates was discussed to help save costs in the future. Jennifer McKenzie and Kimberly Balson will look into the printing options.
The beginning balance of the money market account was $7,086.56 with an ending balance of $4,586.56 on June 16, 2001.
A motion to accept the treasurer’s report was made by Jennifer McKenzie, seconded and the treasurer’s report was approved.
IV. Administrative Vice President / Membership & Public Relations:
VP Hayden Church had dinner with T. Walker and Senator Garwood. They said they would be glad to represent NCAPI and would welcome any possible proposals we may have. 5 new members were approved for NCAPI, along with 2 renewals. Allen Innis made a motion to approve the members, it was 2nded by Steve Mitchell and the members were approved.
V. Vice President / Programs, Education, Budget & Finance:
VP Steve Mitchell announced the seminar on June 18th and 19th in Greensboro, NC on the subject of Insurance Investigations and Basic Family Law. VP Mitchell stated that 1125 letters were sent out, along with over 100 emails announcing the seminar. The seminar was free to all NCAPI members and the cost for the seminar is almost $4300.00. There was some confusion about the seminar being held on two days.
VP Mitchell clarified that both days will be offering the same information. 79 people were signed up for the seminar on Monday and 56 were signed up on Tuesday.
A lengthy discussion was held about the difficulty of putting the seminars together. The time involved into sending the letters such as folding and printing the letters was suggested be reimbursed from the PPS. The labor costs also were discussed and suggested that they be submitted to the PPS.
VI. Vice President / Legal and Legislative Issues:
VP Bill Fletcher was not present to give a report at this time.
“Welcome Packages” were suggested by Kimberly Balson for new members or guests at each meeting. A letter from the President would be included, dates and locations of meetings, an NCAPI application and business cards would be possible items in the package. Jennifer McKenzie and Kimberly Balson will get together to work on this.
The Vail, Colorado trip for NCISS that Lenora Topp was going to attend was brought up. VP Topp was not present at the time. President Monty Clark stated that in lieu of Ms Topp going to Vail, she sent $250.00 to NCISS. VP Topp was asking to be re-imbursed for this amount even though nothing was mentioned to the Board. Since VP Topp was not present at this time, the matter was held open until she arrived.
10:02a.m. – Break. The meeting was adjourned, but not closed due to VP Topp not yet present.
VI. General Membership Meeting:
This meeting was called to order at 10:22 am
President Clark announced that 2 guest were present to speak to NCAPI. These speakers were Eileen Hanson and Jeff Kiker.
Eileen Hanson and her husband, Ed, were representing American Income Life Insurance. Mrs. Hanson explained what her company was offering to members of NCAPI at no cost. All members were being provided with a $1,000.00 accidental death and dismemberment policy. The company has many other services they offer such as medical discounts on vision care, prescriptions, etc. Members would be provided with all the information by mail from American Income Life.
Mrs. Hanson also stated she wanted to take out an ad in the NCAPI 2002 Directory.
A benefit of American Income Life to NCAPI is that the company would send out a mass mailing to all potential NCAPI members, asking for their membership to the association. This would be at no cost to NCAPI. American Income Life would offer the $1000.00 policy to these potential members at no cost, but not to any family members.
Mrs. Hanson also spoke of a food bank that is already in place. She asked members to contribute and passed out information regarding it. President Clark thanked Mr. and Mrs. Hanson for their time and valuable information for NCAPI.
A welcome and introduction were made by President Clark to the 15 members and guests present. He stated that NCAPI now has approximately 170 members.
President Clark then opened up the floor to Jeff Kiker, who had recently gone to Boston, MA for a 2 day super conference. This conference included subjects such as Computer Cyber Crimes by Thomas Galligan; accident recreations by Charles Schack; forensics; background investigation by Don Pickard; mass murders; and the use of public records. Mr. Kiker stated that a lot of information was discussed regarding what public records to get, what to do when you can not get them, and not giving out the information out about who is requesting this information. This seminar was held out of state and Mr. Kiker expressed his interest into obtaining this information pertaining to North Carolina. When asked if he thought he learned something from this seminar, Mr. Kiker stated he felt he brought back a lot of ideas on how to do his job better, new ideas on follow-ups, and who to contact for certain information. He said the 2 day seminars with speakers lasting from 1.5 to 2 hours each was very good and very educational.
Brian Knopp spoke of re-attending Brian Ingram’s seminar on Internet Investigations. He spoke very highly of it and recommended it to all members if they have not attended one.
President Clark asked PPS Board member, Grady Conner to speak briefly on what was going on with the PPS. Mr. Conner spoke of the requirements for a private investigator’s license changing from 3000 to 6000 hours. He stated that not all degrees in any kind of fields will be accepted. Criminal Justice and Political Science degrees can still be credited to the 6000 hours. This would apply to new applicants only and would be possible in 2 years.
Mr. Conner spoke of the Grievance Committee for the PPS. This committee makes recommendations for violations of the 74-C. Mr. Conner spoke that he felt everyone was not being treated the same regarding these violations.
The new credentials also were discussed. Mr. Conner was directed to come up with 5 new possible credentials for Wayne Woodard. A more professional look is desired by most members and Mr. Conner is in favor of having badges along with the ids. Any ideas for these could be sent to him directly.
Due to having to leave early, Mr. Conner gave out his office number of 828-345-1845 and said he was available to talk to anyone regarding NCAPI and the industry. He strongly stated he was here for NCAPI and to please call him with anything that may be of a concern.
Regarding the Budget issue, President Clark stated the State took $100,000 out of the Recovery Fund, leaving a balance of $287,000. The same amount was taken from the Security industry. The Attorney General was opposed to the State doing this, however, nothing could be done to stop it. The Legislative can do anything they want and a concern was expressed on if and when they would do this again in the future.
12:00 PM- VP Lenora Topp was now present and the Board Meeting was called back to order. The subject of the Vail, Colorado trip for NCISS was discussed. VP Topp stated she did not go to Vail due to the airlines being too expensive. She stated she sent NCISS $250.00 on behalf of NCAPI but did not get approval before doing so. She asked to be reimbursed for the $250.00. There was concern by several Board members that she did this without prior approval or notification to the NCAPI Board. VP Topp stated she sent the money so NCAPI would be recognized as a sponsor. VP Reynolds made a motion for the $250.00 to be reimbursed, VP Innis 2nded the motion and it was approved.
Back to the General Board Meeting.
With the discussion regarding NCISS, President Clark spoke of a House Bill 2036 which would take away the ability to get social security numbers and credit headers from private investigators. An email letter will be sent out and members were asked to copy the letter, paste it on their own letterhead and mail it to the necessary representatives.
President Clark spoke of the 74-C going to legislature in 2 years. He stated you could read what is being proposed and what the concerns will be on the PPS website. The minutes of the meetings are posted on there.
VP Mitchell mentioned that our industry needs more voice and money in order to become big enough to be heard and to make a difference. Contacting law firms and getting them involved was one suggestion. A lengthy discussion was then held regarding the need for NCAPI to have it’s own attorney. A Legal Research Committee was formed by McCoy Faulkner and Marilyn Moser at the 2-17-2001 meeting in Wrightsville. VP Mitchell said he would be in touch with Mr. Faulkner regarding the committee.
Effective June 30, 2001, the PPSB will have 4 new members. NCAPI placed recommendations on these new appointments.
The next meeting on Saturday August 18th in Asheville was announced. A motion was made, 2nded and the meeting was adjourned at 12:50 PM.
List of Members and Guests present:
Tim Hurley, Russ Thomas, Tom Kiker, Christina Kiker, Jeff Kiker, Frank Kiker, Brian Knopp, Rick Hinson, Grady Conner, Mitchell Barnes, Ed Cobbler, Larry Bumgarner, Dan Morgan, Marti Miller, Troy Perry