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Meeting Minutes
Annual Meeting 2006

NCAPI Annual Meeting and Elections

January 7, 2006

 

Board Members Present:

Ruth Reynolds

Robert (Monty) Clark

Ted Gartman

Larry Flannery

Thalia Ellis

John McGee

Not Present – Christine Covington

 

Welcome and Call to Order

President Monty Clark called the meeting to order at 9:26am

Russ Thomas was named as Sergeant of Arms

Welcome

Announcements – Christine had a boy – Nicholaus –She has her hands full and could not be present today and has taken herself out of running for the office of Secretary.

 

Monty got married on January 1 – his wife was present – Tammy Clark. She was introduced to the group.

 

Members In Attendance

Bill Lane ....................................... Lane and Associates,  Shelby, NC

Fred McKinney............................. Southeastern Investigations,  Cumberland, NC.

Paul Schroll................................... Corporate Intelligence Solutions

Darrell Latham............................... Latham Confidential

Pam ?............................................ Tarheel Investigations

Cyndy Gunther.............................. Tarheel Investigations

Marti Miller................................... A-1 Services

Hayden Church............................. Track’em Investigations

Jack Fanning................................. Gastonia, NC

Rick Clayton................................. Durham, NC

Wendy Overton............................. Guest of Reynolds Professional Service, Inc.

Barbara Bacon.............................. Cameo Investigations

Audra Coleman............................. Cameo Investigations

Chris Mayhue................................ Cameo Investigations

Tim McEntyre............................... Global Security and Information

Ed Cobbler................................... ELC Investigative Service

Paul Sequin................................... Abacus Research

Jim Mabry...................................... N-Focus Investigations

Steve Mitchell................................ AIC

Jim Kiker...................................... Kiker Investigations

Frank Kiker.................................. Kiker Investigations

Wesley Thompson......................... Kiker Investigations

Tom Rose..................................... Kiker Investigations

Berkley Blanks.............................. PPSB

Russ Thomas................................. Thomas Associates Investigative and Consulting

Greg Scott..................................... Scott and Associates Investigations

Jim Foster..................................... Agency One Investigations, Inc.

Jon Perez...................................... Burlington, NC

Steve Siske................................... Atlantic Southeast Investigations

Art League.................................... AAL Investigations

Greg Whitfield............................... Professional Surveillance Group

Barbara Rounbehler..................... Regional Investigations, Little Rive, SC

George Funderburk....................... Funderburk’s Investigative Service

Michael Cheek.............................. Priority Plus Investigations

 

Guest Speaker – Berkley Blanks – PPSB

Mr. Blanks spoke briefly about our current Credentials – he considers them “cheesy”

He stated that the board has approved an ID card that is more like a driver’s license ID. 

He stated that he knew plans were in the works for those who wanted badges to be able to get them at their own expense.  He also wanted us to know that the PPS Board has no control over the content of the DOJ/PPS website – The NC IT Department does updates – They have to get their approval to change something on the website.

He returned to discussing credentials and stated that we are going to get a more professional ID. “We are trying to get a vendor to do the larger size creds with the leather case. “The PPS board will not pay for this.” [sic]  Mr. Blanks stated that he and Marti Miller had been working on this for some time. 
 

Mr. Blanks stated that he knew we didn’t always get the proper information in a timely manner.  He stated that Clerks who answer the phone in the PPS office  might give out bad information without meaning to.  They have a big problem in keeping people in the office for PPS. “When you get frustrated, it is not particularly the board or the actual office that is causing the problems, it is financial problems throughout the state.”

 

He also mentioned unlawful activity and the cease and desist violations.  He believes the Sheriff and DA of the County in question should get notice. He says we drop the ball because we don’t have the situation adjudicated.  He stated that DA’s are not concerned about this and he believes NCAPI should endorse candidates for Sheriff and DA

He suggested that we look into this and endorse candidates that are favorable to this industry.  He stated that he believed doing this would “enhance your  {sic}NCAPI clout” He then announced that he is a candidate for Sheriff in Guilford County, NC and asked for the endorsement of NCAPI.

 

Reports – 74c Rewrite – Monty Clark

 The work is ongoing.

 

Secretary’s Report

Minutes for Dec meeting were tabled until the next meeting. No report was available.

 

Legislative and Legal – John McGee

No report.

 

Motion to accept – Ruth Reynolds

Second – Thalia Ellis

Motion passed unanimously


Ethics and By-Laws – Larry Flannery

In reference to what Berkley was discussing, we continue to get reports of unlicensed activity, which we forward to PPS.  They have taken action on several recently.  Cases brought to the attention of the Board by the Association get attention by PPS immediately

Larry made a proposal to Bylaws Committee that we bring forth a recommendation to have Board members rooms paid for regularly scheduled meetings.  This is to encourage more people to participate in the board and help to defray the personal costs to board members. 

Larry asked for comments from the membership.

Bill Lane – Shelby.  Felt this was a great idea – but voiced concern for bylaw change, due to possible notice and publication of changes prior to the meeting. 

Board informed him that this is the initial notice and issue will not be voted on until next meeting.

Monty stated he made the recommendation because it is very expensive for board members.  He clarified that only lodging for one night per board member will be paid for.

Monty stated that serving on the board took away from family, from business and from financial of each board member.  He stated he had to give up large jobs because of having to attend a meeting.  “It is a privilege to sit on the board.  The Board has done a lot for the profession bridging the gap between the PPS Board and the industry.  The NCAPI is probably one of the strongest voices with PPS Board.” “There is not a lot we haven’t gotten that we’ve asked for.”

Another comment (speaker unidentified) – in favor – consider that if rooms are paid for that the Board be judicious in their choice of hotels and it is the same for all the members.  It seems like all the meetings are in Raleigh. He wanted meetings moved around the state.  He thought this would be reciprocal for members who vote for motel to be paid for.

 

Monty – Explained that our meetings are scheduled in accordance with the PPS Board Meetings.  We don’t schedule the location, our meetings coincide with PPS

If we change that, the Board will have to go to both meetings and that will double the Boards expense.

 

Bill Lane – Suggested that trips made to Raleigh on behalf of Assoc that assistance could be paid for as well.

 

Matter to be brought to a vote at the next scheduled meeting.

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Monty – ref Lobbyist

            Bill Fletcher has agreed to take the job as lobbyist for $250 a trip

 

Tim McEntyre

            It used to really be a struggle.  It was a war with PPS. Without the benefit of this association, we’d be out of business now.  Ref to his position with the World Assoc of Detectives.

Without us being at the meetings – we would have gotten no consideration at all

He wanted to know if the impact of using this money on bank balance, suggested raising the membership dues.

He was happy that Bill is going to act as lobbyist but is concerned about paying for it

If we can ever get continuing education that we provide – that will fund everything.  It will increase our membership because it will be mandatory

 

Monty stated that the main thing we’re trying to do today is to get a consensus

 

Greg Scott -  We’ve done something this year that has made history.  There have been associations before this one that have not lasted a year.  This one has lasted 19 years.  That’s because of the people who volunteer to serve on the Board.  When you talk about paying for the rooms, it’s just fair.  I understand the amount of time that goes into serving on the board.  If we’re in a position to do something for those on the board, we need to do so.

 

Referred also to the World Assoc of Detectives.  Discussed the thousands of dollars it costs them to be involved on a global level.  He stated that it was not better, but just on a different level.

“How can you claim to be a professional and not associate with the association that supports your industry.” 

The association was created to give a united voice for the industry to the PPS and to provide educational opportunities to licensees. 

Greg will be president of the World Assoc of Detectives in four years.

 

Show of hands had a majority in favor of paying for Board member’s rooms.

Ruth Reynolds made Motion to accept Larry’s report

Bill Fletcher seconded

The motion passed.

Russ brought up the total amount $6185 a year on an average.

 

Training and Education – Thalia Ellis

There hasn’t been another meeting of the Training and Education Committee of the PPS.  There is no change from the Dec report.  There will be a review of the unarmed process in February in reference to 16 hours training.  Thalia asked that anyone who has information or ideas, to please contact her.

Ruth Reynolds made the motion to accept

Larry Flannery seconded.

All in favor. The motion passed.

 

Membership – Ted Gartman

(A copy of the formal written report is attached to and incorporated into these minutes as though set out in their entirety.)

Credentials

Badge Issue that has resurfaced – it is his understanding that purchasing a badge will be up each individual investigator.

“All of our priorities changed so quickly – College courses, etc.  It hasn’t gone away, it’s still there, but the things people wanted us to pursue kept changing.”

If we’re going to have input in the continuing education, and it is mandatory, we’re going to increase our membership. 

SuperConference –

Membership Drive – Area code project

Website changes –

Website update proposal –

Ted Gartman made a motion that we approve the $300 costs required to update our website so that changes can be made to the site itself.

Monty Clark seconded the motion.

All in favor. The motion passed.

 

Ref cost of new credentials – question.  Someone wanted to know if we could pay for the larger ones ourselves

Ted responded that he believed PPS was pushing for the smaller one because the machine is cheaper. 

“There is a company that can provide a new nice case etc. that was along the lines of what we wanted for exactly”

Ruth Reynolds made the Motion to accept Ted’s report – Thalia seconded the motion.

All in favor.  The motion passed.

 

Ted mentioned that the software that will be used for the Guard Service

 

Rusty’s report – She was on the nominating committee. She requested that anyone who came in after we started, please fill out paperwork and pay dues.

 

Monty’s report continued

74c Rewrite – It’s still in the works.  We’ve narrowed it down, and are still holding meetings. The last meeting was held in December 2005.

The issues that are currently being discussed include – Reducing the number of members of the PPS Board to 10 with  7 licensees and 3 others – This will make the majority of the board assoc with the industry.

Badges – Grady has ordered badges – name, # and will have state seal and will say private investigator on the badge itself.  Issue – how to present it and how do we keep it from being abused.

Insurance Issue – It has been proposed that we go back to a bond – let investigator’s choose.  Insurance can currently range from around 600 a year to 7,000 a year. 

Continuing Education – The Association was granted permission three years ago by PPS Board and will be recognized as a provider of Cont. Ed.

We try to hold two seminars a year, with topics suggested by membership.

If Cont Ed. is approved, then the Association will be providing certificates that you will have to have before your license is renewed.  South Carolina also recognizes the NCAPI as a Continuing Education provider for SC licensed investigators.

           

Larry Flannery wanted to Thank the folks to donated money for refreshments today – Greg Scott, Ruth Reynolds and others who wanted to remain anon.

 

BREAK

 

Election of officers

Nominations for President –      Ruth Reynolds

                                                Frank Kiker – declined?

 

Motion for Nominations be closed - White headed guy?

2nd ?Greg Scott

All in favor of Ruth Reynolds.  Ruth Reynolds is new President.

 

Nominations for Treasurer – Jeff Kiker

Motion for Nominations to be closed – Bill Fletcher – Second – Greg Scott

All in favor.  Jeff Kiker is the new treasurer.

 

Nominations for Secretary – Leanne Cloudman

Motion for Nominations to be closed – Ruth Reynolds – Second – Jim Mabry

All in favor.  Leanne Cloudman is the new Secretary

 

Nominations for VP

Richard (Dick) Wilson – not present due to health issues

Ted Gartman

Larry Flannery

Jim Mabry

Thalia Ellis

 

Motion that nominations be closed – Frank Kiker  - Second – Greg Scott

Nominations were Closed.

Monty explained Wilson’s absence, and provided his credentials on his behalf

Jim Mabry spoke on his own behalf

Larry Flannery spoke on his own behalf

Thalia Ellis spoke on her own behalf

Ted Gartman spoke on his own behalf as well as on behalf of other members of the Board

Marty Miller spoke on behalf of Dick Wilson

 

Monty called for vote on VP – and ballots were collected by Paul and Wendy who are not participating members of the Association.

 

10 min Break

Monty called the meeting to order at 11:38am

The Following Vice Presidents were Elected:

 

1st VP Thalia Ellis                 2nd VP Larry Flannery

 

3rd VP Ted Gartman              4th VP Jim Mabry


Monty Clark made the Presentation of Plaques to the outgoing members of the Board

Ted Gartman, Marty Miller, Ruth Reynolds, Bill Fletcher, Christine Covington (will be presented in Raleigh Meeting), John McGee, Thalia Ellis, Larry Flannery.

Ruth Reynolds presented the plaque to Monty Clark, outgoing President.

 

Monty stated that he appreciated the group’s encouragement.  “I am trying to get the PI’s separated from the Security Guard and Patrol” [sic] in 74c

 

Statement by Ruth Reynolds –

Ruth encouraged the Association to endorse Berkley Blanks for Sheriff of Guilford County.  She voiced her opinion that the Association should endorse candidates.

 

Comments were made that voiced concerned about if the candidate we endorse should lose, how much trouble should it cause us. 

Ruth said that it was up to the members, Russ Thomas requested a motion

Ruth made a motion to endorse Berkley Banks, Marty Miller seconded the motion.

The Motion was then opened for discussion.

Greg Scott suggested that the Association have contact with all candidates and not endorse a single one.

Ed Cobbler voiced concern about our supporting one candidate.  He stated that the current Sheriff is receptive to the PI’s that work in Guilford County. 

 

Jim Mabry voiced concern that we need to look carefully at those who are running and if we are to endorse, endorse the Sheriff’s Association or something along those lines without picking a party line. 

 

Russ Thomas, did not think it was anything novel for organizations like the NCAPI to endorse candidates.  He urged that we look at the situation as a personal issue of thanks to Berkley Banks.

Another stated that Berkley had little chance of winning and did not want trouble

Gregg Scott – Approach the other candidate, and possibly endorse them both.

Ruth – We all need to decide how to approach this.

Bill Fletcher – Requested that we not do this.  He didn’t want us to suffer political ramifications

Monty suggested that we support the Sheriff’s Assoc. - pointing out that many of the NCAPI members serve process.

Ruth withdrew her motion and Marty withdrew her second

A vote was not requested.

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Ruth requested a consensus about having vendors or not at the annual conference.  Majority of the members voted to have vendors present.

Monty was against this because of the “Business at hand”  It takes the attention away from the purpose of the meeting.

 

Steve Mitchell – How about having vendors present the night before

 

Paul – Respects Monty’s point, but we had vendor’s here 2 years ago and it didn’t seem to hurt anything.  He volunteered to help to scheduling vendors.

Tim McEntyre stated that vendors are more than likely more willing to come to a meeting when more people are going to be present. He stated this was a draw.  But also wanted to schedule it so that it would not interrupt the purpose of the meeting.

 

Ruth stated concern about enlarging our membership

 

Jack stated that this wasn’t a simple answer that the solution is multi faceted

He suggested that we have our annual conference at the super-conference because the vendors are already there.  He wants to pursue having a super-conference every year

 

Monty said the basis of this meeting is elections. SCALI ‘s conference is four days – with training, a dinner and then their business meeting.  Monty suggested that our annual conference needs to be increased to at least 2 days.

 

Jim Mabry – He wanted to put forth a challenge.  Because of what Ted did he is interested in what’s going on.  He proposed that each one of us knows another PI that does not come to the meeting.  At every meeting, we bring someone with us, a potential member.  Introduce them and allow them to see what we do here.  He stated that he has been calling vendors and he is putting together a package that we can offer to new members.  

 

Russ Thomas – Wanted to know if we can get a set of labels from PPS, Ruth said that had been okay’d  He wants to send them a letter telling them of the benefit of joining and providing them with a calender of events.

 

MOTION – Russ Thomas – To change our meeting time to Friday afternoon after the PPS Board Meeting.  Paul seconded the motion. 

All in favor. 
NCAPI meetings will now be held after lunch on the same day as the scheduled PPS Board Meetings.

 

Head – Larry Alexander of North Carolina Association of Security Professionals – has expressed to Thalia that they would like to help to cut down on time

 

Ruth appointed Audra Coleman as Cruise Director and Public Relations to plan dinners etc.

 

Ruth asked for suggestions

Ed – requested Insurance reps to be at the next meeting

Thalia has been appointed to PPS committee on insurance Thalia also said that rep from Mang is planning to come back.

 

Thalia requested suggestions for the spring seminar.

Ruth Reynolds adjoined the meeting at 12:15pm.

 
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